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Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2247	Posted - 2014.01.07 00:04:00 - [1] - Quote darius mclever wrote: Michael Harari wrote: Also bastion should prevent use of the MMJD for obvious reasons. so far ... ships with active cynos are allowed to use it. so... at the current logic it seems they should be allowed it. I'm wondering to myself exactly which direction those ships will be propelled in? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2256	Posted - 2014.01.07 00:36:00 - [2] - Quote darius mclever wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: darius mclever wrote: Michael Harari wrote: Also bastion should prevent use of the MMJD for obvious reasons. so far ... ships with active cynos are allowed to use it. so... at the current logic it seems they should be allowed it. I'm wondering to myself exactly which direction those ships will be propelled in? where their nose points to? Your ship doesn't have a nose, and it doesn't point anywhere that it's not already moving toward. Your ship is an invisible sphere roughly the size of your sig radius. That fun model that follows it around has no bearing on its movement or heading. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2258	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:32:00 - [3] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: I would expect it to actually decrease. So does EA. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2258	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:35:00 - [4] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: I would expect it to actually decrease. So does EA. I thought CCP was buddying up to Sony, not EA? -Liang Sony gave them the taste for it. EA will end up being the sugar daddy. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2262	Posted - 2014.01.07 02:49:00 - [5] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: Rek Seven wrote: The mobile micro jump unit sound interesting at first but i struggle to think of any good application for it other than letting ships avoid bombing fleets. FW control hubs. Place a ring around them and your sniper/kite fleet is now completely untouchable. Doubtful. I just run your sniper fleet off with ewar and detonate your fun machines. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2271	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:43:00 - [6] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: Vivian Marcos wrote: I would like to know if the MMJD works on ONLY fleet members of your fleet or eveyone in the radius? I assume the former but i would LOVE the latter :D Anyone can use them. Fun fact for everyone: all these structures are also warp-to-able-by-everyone (is there a better term for this?), like wrecks or other space junk. Petrus and I got on SiSi last night and played with these new shitshow items. I wasn't terribly impressed with them, considering they're currently both warpable space junk. Cyno'd ships cannot use the Mobile Jump Drive; I dunno if that was patched out at SiSi downtime or not, but Petrus was unable to use it with a cyno going. We did not have access to a Marauder to test if it would actually go anywhere under bastion. The fact that dictor bubbles and anchorables could be placed inside the Scan Inhbitor isn't too hot, especially since it works as some fear; anything approximating a direct warp-to earns you a drag effect. Over all, I'm not too impressed. The Jump Drive deployable is a rather clunky 'escape mechanism' (that still left me enough time to burn away to 160km+, warp back to, and tackle Petrus' Tornado before he could alpha my Daredevil off the field or use this thing to escape) that seems more of a toy than a serious thing for most uses. The Scan Inhibitor is paradigm shifting, and not in a good way. This thing is going to do nothing but promote even more blob warfare, and make already cautious or risk averse players even moreso. This particular flavor of one-way intel is, frankly, bullshit. The only way that these things could be remotely considered balanced is if the inhibitor effect was applied to any ships inside the AOE, rendering their d-scan useless, and preventing their ability to target when within the module's 'field,' just as when one is inside a POS forcefield. I honestly have to question whether anyone at CCP thinks about these things at all before they send Fozzie out here with it. I suppose it's a bit too much to ask that Devs spend any time playing EVE Online under current metas before they decide to start pissing in the pool with these poorly instituted 'game changers.' As an aside, CCP karkur and her people have continued knocking homeruns out of the park with small quality of life UI tweaks. I'm honestly more looking forward to these things hitting TQ than I am anything from the balance/shiny toys group. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2272	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:11:00 - [7] - Quote Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: The Scan Inhibitor is paradigm shifting, and not in a good way. This thing is going to do nothing but promote even more blob warfare, and make already cautious or risk averse players even moreso. This particular flavor of one-way intel is, frankly, bullshit. The only way that these things could be remotely considered balanced is if the inhibitor effect was applied to any ships inside the AOE, rendering their d-scan useless, and preventing their ability to target when within the module's 'field,' just as when one is inside a POS forcefield. A cloaked ship can't be dscanned, but can still dscan. The MSI is a stationary object that you can easily identify and know that forces may be hiding there. This is hardly game breaking. Instead it creates an increased need for intel gatherers, and that's very much for the better. The sky is not falling with the introduction of this item. Instead, new tactical possibilities are opening up. A cloaked ship also can't do anything while it's cloaked, with the exception of warp away if it falls under the covops domain. Ships inside the AOE field of this thing retain all of their functionality. They retain perfect intel via Local and d-scan, while those outside of the AOE field lose that capability. They sky is certainly not falling; it's just begun to rain even more ****. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2274	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:27:00 - [8] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: By the way, the MSI hides cosmic signatures...sort of. The sig still shows on the scanner. It shows as a red sphere in the solar system map. But scan probes cannot see a sig near a MSI. Drop one on a wormhole and that wormhole cannot be scanned out. Of course if they have an expanded probe launcher and combat probes they can find the MSI, warp to it and find the wormhole. If they got that equipment and are willing to do it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH GOD Exactly. We see how much thought went into this mechanic before it was released to SiSi. I eagerly await tomorrow's post by Fozzie telling us that they're taking long and detailed notes about our concerns. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2274	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:30:00 - [9] - Quote Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Don't warp gate to gate when you see this on scan, and bounce off an unaligned celestial. I hope that you gate campers are taking notes. Make sure that when you set this up, it's on narrow scan from the gate, but the inhibitor and the hidden bubble inside are aligned to the 'unaligned' celestial. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2274	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:32:00 - [10] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: that they're taking long and detailed notes about our concerns. You mean that they're enjoying the "lively discussion" and "controversy" and will release it as-is regardless just to see what happens, right? :effort: Pretty much. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2275	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:43:00 - [11] - Quote Gizznitt Malikite wrote: the prepared pilot with bookmarks in the area. So basically we're back to Malcanis' law, and only the people who have been around long enough to be 'prepared' and already have a few thousand BMs all over nullsec will benefit. Good job, then. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2275	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:51:00 - [12] - Quote Erasmus Phoenix wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: Gizznitt Malikite wrote: the prepared pilot with bookmarks in the area. So basically we're back to Malcanis' law, and only the people who have been around long enough to be 'prepared' and already have a few thousand BMs all over nullsec will benefit. Good job, then. We might as well remove warping to zero while we're at it... Might as well. CCP keeps clamoring for newb-friendly income sources. I hear that selling cans of warp-to-zero bookmarks was quite lucrative for newbies back in the day. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2276	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:10:00 - [13] - Quote Priestess Lin wrote: aggressors Who are these 'aggressors?' Do you have that much of a victim mentality that you see boogeymen everywhere? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2276	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:27:00 - [14] - Quote Streya Jormagdnir wrote: I don't understand the concern about Scan Inhibitors being used in complexes. You already can't see what's on the other side of a jump gate unless you send a scout first. With the scan inhibitor, it can be the same way with acceleration gates. And so, too, can the use of a scout save your fleet in a scenario where a complex is Scan Inhibited. This is a good thing, since it encourages proper intel gathering, scouting, and teamwork. I love it. Yes. Acceleration gates and jump gates are exactly the same thing. I can totally see what's on the other side of a jump gate waiting to come to me. I can totally set up at 0 on a jump gate, and wait for my prey to land right on top of me and be tackled. Jump gates totally don't deposit someone at a semi-random point in space, and they are definitely not cloaked when they arrive. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2282	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:37:00 - [15] - Quote Priestess Lin wrote: potential profits LOL. Profits. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2283	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:05:00 - [16] - Quote Milton Middleson wrote: Jori McKie wrote: I'm not sure i get it? Did you read this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4092615#post4092615 ? There are many scenarios for small and medscale fights in which the MMJU still can be used but not abused aka 100% get out of jail free card. Do not forget that every time MMJUs are dropped it is additional EHP the other gang has to kill or deal with the enemy gtfo or deal with tanky ships got in too close. MMJUs are stationary. Three nano cruisers sporting 300 dps apiece will kill it in six seconds. Their drones can probably kill it before it finishes winding up. Meanwhile, the brawling gang can't move very far from the MMJU if they intend to remain in range to use it once it is done anchoring, if by some miracle it survives. Good. The more irrelevant and useless these two deployables, the better. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.

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